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313 — Tired of People Draining You? The Empathy Rule That Protects Your Energy Without Making You Cold With Dr. D. Ivan Young

May 7, 2026
Mentally Stronger Dr. D. Ivan Young Amy Morin

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Do you have someone in your life who only calls when they need something? Maybe it’s the relative who always goes from one crisis to the next, the friend who vents for an hour and never asks how you’re doing, or the coworker who treats you like their personal therapist.
 
You care about them but you feel drained by them too. Fortunately, you can show real empathy while also setting boundaries. And this might be the best thing for both you and the other person.
 
My guest today is Dr. D. Ivan Young, a master certified coach and empathy expert. His new book is Leading from the Heart, and in this conversation he breaks down how to show up for the people you love without losing yourself in the process.
 
Some of the things we discuss are:
 

  • Why “putting on a brave face” is actually a performance — and what it’s costing you
  • The drowning analogy that finally makes the difference between sympathy and empathy make sense
  • How to call out the elephant in the room before a tense meeting (and why it instantly changes the dynamic)
  • The “come alongside” rule that can help you start a conversation without triggering a fight
  • What to say to a friend going through something you’ve never experienced yourself
  • Why open-ended questions are more powerful than any advice you could give
  • The “cupcake and a candle” ritual for when you need to feel your feelings and move on
  • How to tell if you’re empowering someone or quietly enabling them
  • What to do (and not say) when a neighbor or coworker is grieving
  • The uncomfortable truth about why the same kind of person keeps showing up in your life

 

Key Takeaways:

 

  • Empathy involves being present and offering emotional support without feeling compelled to solve others’ problems.
  • Open-ended questions can foster growth, both in you and the person you’re asking.
  • Setting boundaries is essential to offering genuine support.
  • Empathy, toward yourself and others, enriches relationships and contributes to mental strength.

Notable Quotes:

"Empathy means you don't have to solve the problem, and you don't have to offer condolences. Instead, you can empower people to make their own choices while giving them the support they need." - Amy Morin

"We live in a performative culture. We've adjusted more to how we want to appear than how things actually are." - Dr. D. Ivan Young

"Be curious, but be sincerely curious. Be fascinated." - Dr. D. Ivan Young

Timestamp Summary

0:00 The Worst Thing You Can Say to Someone Who Just Got Bad News

3:04 The Voice Dr. D Heard After His Cancer Diagnosis That Changed Everything

8:53 The Drowning Test: Are You Actually Being Empathetic, or Just Watching?

11:15 "I Have Enough Problems" — Why Empathy Is Actually Selfish (in a Good Way)

12:44 The One Sentence That Instantly Defuses a Tense Meeting

16:47 The Sign You're Overdue to Set a Boundary (Most People Miss It)

22:50 Why You Feel Guilty Saying No — and How to Stop

27:03 The Friend Who Calls With the Same Complaint Every Week — Try This

28:30 The Two-Boat Trick That Cracks Open Any Moody Teenager

36:39 The Grieving Neighbor: Why Saying Less Says More

43:45 The IMAX Effect: How Empathy Turns Life From Black-and-White to 3D

47:29 The Therapist Take: 3 Empathy Moves That Make You Mentally Stronger

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