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Have you ever gotten good news from a friend and felt bad instead of happy for them? Or someone in the group chat announced they’re pregnant — and instead of feeling excited, you felt a little sick to your stomach. And then you felt guilty for feeling that way, so you typed “congratulations” and moved on.
The truth is, all of us feel envy sometimes. But most of us have been taught to get rid of it. We’ve heard that comparison is the thief of joy. G my guest today says that’s because envy isn’t a sign that there’s something wrong with you — it’s information about what you actually want.
My guest is Dr. Stacy Kim, a social scientist who has done research at Columbia University’s National Center for Children and Families and the Families and Work Institute. Her new book is Envy.
Some of the things we discuss are:
"Envy isn't a sign that there's something wrong with you. It's information about what you actually want." - Dr. Stacy Kim
"Human beings are wired to compare. We can't help it, but we can learn a lot about ourselves by doing so." - Dr. Stacy Kim
"Acknowledge envy as it arises. Sit with it, learn from it, and let it guide you rather than suppress it." - Dr. Stacy Kim
"The people you envy are usually the ones closest to where you want to be, signaling you're not as far off as you think." - Dr. Stacy Kim
"It's not the envy of the trip itself. It's the intangible emotions we believe the trip, for example, will provide us that we actually envy." - Dr. Stacy Kim
0:00 Why “Just Be Grateful” Never Makes the Envy Go Away
2:10 Envy vs. Jealousy—the Difference Most People Get Wrong
4:12 Why Hiding Your Envy Backfires Every Time
6:44 The SIREN Framework: What Your Envy Is Actually Telling You
12:03 You’re Never Really Envious of the Thing—It’s What It Represents
13:46 The Korean Word for Envy That English Is Missing
16:19 Why High Achievers Feel Envy More Than Everyone Else
19:23 Why Gratitude Is the Wrong Place to Start
23:10 When Your Envy Is Pointing to an Injustice, Not a Goal
29:31 How to Beat the Social Media Envy Trap
35:31 The Therapist’s Take: 3 Ways to Make Envy Work for You
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