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Have you ever spent hours replaying a conversation in your head that didn’t go well? Maybe you said something you wish you hadn’t. Maybe someone made a comment you can’t stop thinking about.
But the more you think about it, the worse you feel — and you can’t seem to stop. If that sounds familiar, you’re not alone.
My guest is Donna Jackson Nakazawa, an award-winning science journalist and author of nine books. Her new book is Mind Drama and she has uncovered some surprising strategies that can help you stop overthinking.
Some of the things we discuss are:
"Rumination is a survival response gone wrong. It's part of the nuts and bolts of being alive." - Donna Jackson Nakazawa
"The area of the brain that triggers rumination is really bad at coming up with solutions." - Donna Jackson Nakazawa
"Rumination is seductive; it dangles this false promise that if you think more, you'll find an answer." - Donna Jackson Nakazawa
"When you start to work with your personal rumination code, your brain starts to sync up in a more holistic way." - Donna Jackson Nakazawa
"The goal isn’t to stomp on your rumination. It’s to repurpose all that mental energy into something creative." - Donna Jackson Nakazawa
0:00 Can't Stop Replaying That Conversation? Here's What Your Brain Is Doing
2:33 The Brain Scan That Showed Donna Just How Stuck She Really Was
7:18 Ruminating vs. Overthinking—and the Questions That Tell Them Apart
11:35 Why We're All Ruminating More Than We Used to (It's a Perfect Storm)
15:55 How a Single Anxious Thought Reaches the Energy Centers of Your Cells
19:14 Your Ruminations Aren't Random—They're a Signal Fire From the Past
22:26 The MIST Framework, Walked Through Live With Amy
33:25 The "Ballistic Interrupter" That Stops a Spiral in Its Tracks
39:17 The 30-Second Body Moves That Tell Your Brain You're Safe
46:07 The Therapist's Take: 3 Ways to Break Free From Rumination
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